Curse

Cador · May 19, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lepton CFd

WAY too many have no clue what the word haggling means. They ask you to offer, and of course, you start low, and then they just flame you/ignore you. What the hell? Then THEY are supposed to say the price they want. Then you continue haggling until you agree on a price.

It is sadly so rare to find a person that actually knows what "haggling" means.

Part of this is Guildwars fault. I get halfway through haggling and i get excessive messages a bunch of times. and by the time i get to do this he has already sold it or he has thought i gave up and left.

pork soldier · May 19, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

my favorite reply is "how about no"

Former Ruling · May 19, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

If you want a set price, you ALWAYS have to advertise at about a 10-20% markup. Like saying "WTS This for 80k" when you really only want...65-70k.

This is because everyone will try to talk you down from the price you list (They think its your max price, and haggle from there). So you always list alittle higher than you actually want. The side effect of this is you get angry PMs from people that say its not worth the higher price you are advertising it at...

Anytime you DONT put a price in your message, you ALWAYS get cruddy low offers from people trying to make a buck (buy low sell high).

Example: I was selling a Pommel of Fortitude when they were at their height. I tryed selling it without listed prices, got offers everywhere from a couple of purples, to a few k (highest offer was like 50k). Listed it as 100k (which was cheaper than anyone else was selling it for there) and got offers usually from 70-90k. One such person offered 90k...when they were clearly already spam selling one in the All Chat channel for 100k+7ectos (example of price markup trading).

Lets Get to Healing · May 20, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

@ Cybah
not everyone in the game can give PCs. Usually make me an offer is better. This doesnt make you a trading moron. Prices r so effed up these days.

Lady Lozza · May 20, 2006, 02:40 AM // 02:40

*sigh* The ones I hate is when you are trying to sell and no one is interested in haggling. I go by what other people tell me something is worth. Since I'm not all about the gold, and have never had a load of trouble getting the cash for my 15k armour, I only ever bother to sell greens and golds in order to make just a touch more than the trader will give me for it. I honestly don't want to stand around for hours trying to find someone, so when I say I'm negotiable, I really DO mean negotiable. I'm sure I've sold some things for way more than they're worth and others for way less. However the point is that all I want is to get them out of my storage for more than the trader is willing to give me, yet when you mention a base price (and that you're negotiable) people say I saw xx selling for $$ I'll buy it from them. The majority of the time I'm MORE THAN WILLING to beat xx price, yet no one has yet to say, can you beat this price

Dr Strangelove · May 20, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

Trading is horribly not fun for me so I generally just sell to the first buyer I can find for whatever they'll pay me. For example, I just sold some 15>50 req 8 daggers for 10k. Money is actually not an issue thanks to actually playing the game and never investing in vanity skins.

Jedediah Strong · May 20, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Rob Van Der Sloot

Last night I saw someone offering to sell a hydra mini-pet in Kaineng Center. I wanted to buy it, so I asked him, how much?

Me: How much for the mini pet?

Him: Make me an offer

Me: Ok, 55k

Him: R U KIDDING?!11 It's 85k at GWtraders! Go away with yo n00b offers

Me: Well with that attitude you won't get many customers

Now I ask you, why do some traders ask YOU to make an offer, and then get all upset if it's not the offer they had in mind. If you want 85k for the pet, then don't ask ME to make YOU an offer. Just say: "WTS - Minipet hydra 85k", and perhaps you can add: "price is negotionable"

Seriously, the stupidity level of some of these traders is mindboggling.

I agree 150% with you!! Finally...someone who has the EXACT same thought as I do on this issue. I cannot stand (and will not play) the "let's see if you can cut your own throat game" with idiot sellers.

If you ASK ME to make an offer, regardless of what the offer I end up making is, DON'T act all offended when it is not what you had in mind. Heh...what I always do when asked "make offer" is either offer 10 gold or just tell 'em to name a freakin' price.

People are so worried that they might have been offered more than they even had in mind to get. This game is NOT like most other MMO or MMORPG's where "he with the mostest" wins.

Sellers....if you want to sell something....then state your price. This "make offer" crap is for the birds. But if you insist on this idiotic practice then don't get all huffy when the offer is as big of a joke as what you are asking in the first place.

Da Cebuano · May 20, 2006, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Yeah, lately, I've been a victim of Nub lowballers buy-sell traders ingame -_-

The problem w/ 99% of the trades in GW is that NOBODY CARES TO FRICKIN READ! or more so they don't know how to read complete sentences and info has to be spoonfed to them by phrases. I always sell for a set amount unless I know I can get higher, in which I put "Pm offers", if it has a higher bid then I put the c'o.

My typical sale:

me: WTS Perfect Death Wailing staff!*stats* = 75k!
Nub Necro trader: How much?
me: 75k
Nub Necro trader: Let me see *sends invite*
*Trade is initiated*
Nub Necro Trader: How much?
me: *irritated* 75k
Nub Necro Trader: OMG, too much!
me: Offer?
Nub Necro Trader: 30k
me: Nt bye!
Nub Necro Trader: how much you want for it?
me: 75k
Nub Necro Trader: 53k final offer

and ofcourse:

me: WTS _________!
Nub: Offer?
me: I'm selling
Nub: yeah, offer?
me: um, I'm supposed to be asking you that, buyer offers prices and sellers set them.
Nub: Nub trader no you dont! can't even make a trader, w/e nub

*note that the grammar of the Nub has been photoshopped to look much better than it actually was*

Safe to say he didn't get the staff. I dont mind lowballing as I frequently do it, but I never offer more than 10k less than trader selling price, usually I bid 5k lower and its up to seller to decide whether to or not, as I usually let buyers who offer the same get away w/ it as well. I swear, I have no Idea what kind of people who make up the majority of GW, I'd like to see some of these guys in real life just to see just how they actually function in real life.. more amazingly, how they actually survive and get by.

Right now, I'm kinda irritated w/ the influx of nubs who seem to have just discovered Power Trading. Too many people ignore the SET PRICE CLEARLY STATED IN THE SALE >:| in favor of maybe the seller will change his mind if I ask for the price again even though its there.

OH my GOD, its even worse when you buy stuff.

ME: WTB _______
Nub: Offer?
ME: well, I prefer trader set their prices, so it'll be fair
Nub: lol, just give me an offer
ME: 500g, now whats your price
Nub: *silence* 10k! *this is a common item*

Also this girl I met in game who's selling a tallshield purple +25hp she was selling for close to 30k. After some negotiating, I ended up telling her its not worth it cause I can craft a bronze shield +30hp -5dmg 20% for 5k. She then proceeding to slam me and called me noob cause there is no such crafter -_-; I told her to go to kaening center in factions to check it out. She stated that she has factions and no shield exist at crafters *insert more name calling*. I ended up not responding to her message. Like I said, I'd like to see how these people get by w/ their lives.

Lord Iowerth · May 20, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Asking for traders/sellers to be upfront and honest is like asking a monkey to do some quick trigonometry: not gonna happen, as i'm sure we're all very aware. Occasionally you run into a nice and courteous trader, but as for all the rest of them, this is what I do:

Seller: "WTS Zealous bow string! no n00b offerz !!11!!"
Me: "How much do you want?"
Seller: "Make offer"
Me: "2k ok?" <--hehe
Seller: "OMG what a n00b, etc etc"
Me: "How about a nice pulsating growth? Maybe you can replace your brain with it, it would be an upgrade"

Ren Wuying · May 21, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

seller: "wts req 8 vertebreaker, with +15dmg"

me: "how much you ask for it"

seller: "you must see this, now i come and show you this item"

me: "i don't need to see it, just want hear how much you ask for it"

[he still runs to me and opens a trading session]

seller: "offer"

me: "i want to hear your price for it"

seller: "I am not a supermarket!" "I don't set prices, i sell items!!!"

[trading session was canceled, and seller runs away]

Braggi · May 22, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Ah, I have a different attitude. A really good deal is one where both traders have the feeling they made a good deal.

Set prices are all fine and well, and I appreciate the PC lists. But for some stuff no price lists exist. So, if I ask you for an offer, I ask you how much you value the item. A good, though not final, weapon will save you time. What's that worth to you? And no, I don't rip new players off, I several times cut their offers down if they were way off base.
A reliable way to piss me off is to make an unrealistic, ridiculous low offer. Then you don't take me serious, so get lost...

If I start with a price this forms another haggling pattern. Almost everybody asumes this is my maximum price + x and routinely distracts a discount.
So I have 2 choices: eather I sell for a set price, no haggling, or this is about how much can you reduce my price (so I obviously tweak x). But its no longer about how much is the item worth to you...

When dealing many people obviously fear they may lose an advantage, if they have to disclose their offer first.

Sair · May 22, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Very few people in this game know the meaning of haggling anyway -.o

Aye. I've pretty much given up on acquiring anything through the trade channel. Now if people would actually use it so I didn't have to put up with their spam on local.

Lord Shazneri · May 22, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

I aways start with 100k +50 ectos and then they are like sure ... Then I'm like ah ok 7k it is ... Come on you who want to sell, This is not No Haggle Pricing everything has a Value how much you want for it and how much I will pay you for it. And if you don't tell me your starting point I will manipulate you and then you will walk away sore! I learned from the master Silent Bob!

EternalTempest · May 22, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by Braggi

Ah, I have a different attitude. A really good deal is one where both traders have the feeling they made a good deal.

Set prices are all fine and well, and I appreciate the PC lists. But for some stuff no price lists exist. So, if I ask you for an offer, I ask you how much you value the item. A good, though not final, weapon will save you time. What's that worth to you? And no, I don't rip new players off, I several times cut their offers down if they were way off base.
A reliable way to piss me off is to make an unrealistic, ridiculous low offer. Then you don't take me serious, so get lost...

If I start with a price this forms another haggling pattern. Almost everybody asumes this is my maximum price + x and routinely distracts a discount.
So I have 2 choices: eather I sell for a set price, no haggling, or this is about how much can you reduce my price (so I obviously tweak x). But its no longer about how much is the item worth to you...

When dealing many people obviously fear they may lose an advantage, if they have to disclose their offer first.

But the biggest problem is with trader's (who do know the value of things) vs casual player that plays 1-2 hours a day that not in the "trader" scene. When they want a perfect mod, for example and don't know the price, when offer's to low the "Go away Noob" response that causes the problem. If a trader would give a price range (which defeats the purpose of give a bid) to educate things would be much better.

Once a trade house / auction is in place, it would be easy for the masses to find out "average" price to things and help stablize prices across the board.

Braggi · May 23, 2006, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

But the biggest problem is with trader's (who do know the value of things) vs casual player that plays 1-2 hours a day that not in the "trader" scene.

Information headstart is always the problem, no matter what trading ruleset you use. The "pro" trader will always win out here, the best the amateur can achieve is a "fair" deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EternalTempest

If a trader would give a price range (which defeats the purpose of give a bid) to educate ...

But a range doesn't work. If I tell you 5-8k you will take 5k and haggle from there. If we auctioned the item with competitive bids then maybe this might work as min offer and buyout.

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

Once a trade house / auction is in place, it would be easy for the masses to find out "average" price to things and help stablize prices across the board.

Don't bet on it. WoW auction houses may make prices more transparent, but for a casual player this is still just a small facet of the big picture. You need a plugin (auctioneer, which takes a lot of additional memory on low end systems) to track prices. The auction house there just displays current auctions (however lunatic), but not the deals actually closed, or prices achieved.

Chev of Hardass · May 23, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

. Once an auction house / trade house system is implemented, far more non-traders will know the price of things.

Ahh ha ha ha ha ha ha

Wait, I'm not done holding my sides.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Do you think A.Net cares about you or your auction house?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Give it up man. No auction house is coming, ever.

Demesis · May 23, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

Ahh ha ha ha ha ha ha

Wait, I'm not done holding my sides.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Do you think A.Net cares about you or your auction house?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Give it up man. No auction house is coming, ever.

*Reluctantly agrees*